Lessons from 2021
EPISODE 6 — 8 JANUARY 2022
“One of my biggest learnings was learning the difference between content within myself and being content with external factors. I spent a lot of time by myself, thinking and reflecting on life and I realised that if you’re happy within yourself, if you’re content with your mindset, what you’re doing with your life your habits, everything else will flow.”
ABOUT THE EP
For the beginning of 2022, we reflect on our 2021 new year's resolutions, the processes that help us reflect, our highlights and lowlights, and the biggest lessons we learnt. We also share a useful framework that can help you reflect on the past year and set your intentions for 2022.
THE DETAILS
Being intentional and prioritising wellbeing in 2021
How journalling has helped our personal growth
What made us feel most happy in 2021?
What made us feel unhappy in 2021?
Our biggest personal and professional learnings
The good habits will we take into the new year
The habits we will leave behind
What do we wish we would have done more of?
What are our goals for 2022?
REFERENCES & RESOURCES
- Jay Shetty's '9 Powerful Reflection Questions for 2021':
1. What made you feel most happy this year?
2. What made you unhappy this year?
3. What was the biggest lesson you learned this past year?
4. What do you wish you would have done more of this year?
5. What's something you want to do less of next year?
6. What was your biggest success this year?
7. What was a moment you failed this year?
8. What is something you want to learn next year?
9. What is your favourite way to refuel?
- You're Not Listening by Kate Murphy
- Jim Kwik's 1 Billion Dollar Routine
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Tracy
Welcome back to the pod. Happy New Year's, everyone. Welcome to 2022.
Wendy
I'm super excited for this year. Yeah, because my favourite number is two. We've got an exciting episode in store, as every episode is, but this one is all about reflecting on 2021, the year that we've had, what goals we had and whether or not we achieved them. So yeah, just an overall kind of reflection about the year that has just passed, and then tapping into the future, looking ahead, what we've got in store for ourselves.
Tracy
Yeah. So how was 2021 for you?
Wendy
2021 was a very tumultuous year for me, I have to say. I went through a lot of change, a lot of growth, a lot of kind of crazy things happened to me, which I will dive deeper into a little bit later. But in general, I think that it was kind of a mental reset in a way, in the sense that because I had all these crazy things happen to me. I was just really trying to take every day as it was coming and less so about planning for the remainder of the year of the rest of my life. And I think the pace that I was going out was really different to previous years. Yeah. How about you?
Tracy
Yeah, I think similar. It was a year of growth for me. I feel like I went through so many different chapters in 2021. I think none of us expected us to go into a six month lockdown, or was a four month lockdown. I think it was four months. So, that was spontaneous or unexpected. But I think I saw that as like another chapter in the year. So I think a lot of time I spent inside my head, I kind of like thinking about my life, thinking about my mindset about like, where I can grow as a person. So, I think I've spent this year a lot on reflection, and growth. So, I do feel like this has been a good year. 2021 has been a really good year.
Wendy
It's interesting that you think about your life in chapters, because I think when people think about chapters, they like to timebox it to years. And that's the way people a lot of people like to reflect, but I can relate in the sense that what I tend to do, when I'm trying to reflect on the past year, is I go through either my photo stream on on my phone or I go through my Instagram archives, and I look at kind of all the different memories, all the different kind of phases that you're going through. And I think the lockdown was like such a massive part of it. Because obviously over the four months, it was like everybody was at home, it was getting really, really intense. And I picked up a lot of like good and bad habits along the way. But that part of my life this year was pretty significant as well.
Tracy
Yeah. Did you have any new year's resolutions for 2021?
Wendy
Yeah, I did. I think I talked about it in a past episode. But my new year's resolution this year was literally just being more intentional. So in the past, when I was a lot younger, I think I used to set really specific goals such as like, go to the gym more often, really tangible goals. But I think lately, I've been trying to kind of adopt more of a mindset. So with this one being more intentional, it was being more intentional with say, the time that I spent with people, being more intentional with what I was saying yes to and agreeing to. And I'd like to think that I achieved it because I think I was very specific with the people that I spent time with. And I was very specific with the choices that I made as well. But obviously there's always room for growth.
Tracy
No, but I could see that in you as well. This year, I feel like you did make very intentional choices. And you're very firm about what you want to spend your time on, which was really good.
Wendy
Yeah, how about you?
Tracy
So, I've mentioned in the last episode that my goal was to improve my personal and physical wellbeing. And I do think this year has been a really good work in progress for that. I think it's a goal that I'm going to always keep striving for. But I made a lot of good progress. I mentioned in the last episode that physical I feel like I've built really good habits around exercise my relationship with exercise and food. And then mental I think I really did spend a lot of time with myself this year and inside my head. Like, I'm not really a big thinker, if that makes sense. I think because we're extroverted. At least for me, because I'm extroverted, I'm always on the go. I'm always like doing doing doing and never take time for myself to really process what's going on and think about like life or like you know, spend time alone. But this year, I really took time to reflect. And like really spend time with myself learning about myself a bit more and seeing where I can grow. Yeah, in life.
Wendy
I think that's massive, because like you said, we're just always on the go and almost like the lockdown forced us to slow down a little bit. But yeah, I have a question in saying that, kind of you're always on the go, when you were reflecting on the past year, was there anything that you did specifically to help that process of reflection?
Tracy
Hmm. I think journaling, maybe. Like, I always journalled in the past. But I always used journalling as a recount, because I started journaling because I was scared of like, losing my memory. It's a really weird fear. But I always like experience really great things in life, because I'm very lucky to have great people around me. And I'm always like, Oh, this moment is so good. I don't want to forget it. So, that's what journalling was for me. In the past, I will just recount what has happened in the day or whatever. But this year, I really took more like to go more into depth diving into my emotions. Why do I feel like this? You know, what has impacted it like talking to myself a little bit more, rather than just writing what has happened? And I think that has really helped me identify my thought patterns, like themes around my thinking and what not, which we'll dive into a bit later in this episode.
Wendy
It's really interesting that you journal in that way, because I feel like I journal completely different to you. Yeah, I guess I tend to journal when when things get tough. So when I was reading through all my journal entries, it was kind of just like reading through all the bad moments.
Tracy
It's like a low lights real.
Wendy
Yeah, it's a low lights real. But I think towards the end, towards the end of 2021, I started to write about the good things as well as kind of like reflecting back on my attitudes towards some things, the themes that we're going through the year and how I've grown from them. And I went back several times to read through previous entries, and it's great being able to see kind of the growth that I went through. But yeah, it's just interesting that we journal really, really differently.
Tracy
When you journal about the bad things, are you just writing about them? Or you kind of diving deeper? Like, why do I feel this way? What can I do differently?
Wendy
Yeah, so it's kind of stream of consciousness writing, because that's what journaling is, right? So I just write about what the event was. And then diving deeper as to like, how I felt about it. And then why I think I felt that way. And then what I would try to do in the future to help, I guess, rectify it, or improve my mindset.
Tracy
Yeah, I think that's really good. And that's something that I was missing. I was just journalling my feelings as an outlet. But I didn't take it a step further and go, How can I change my behaviour? Why do I feel like this? Why am I reacting like this? And I think that's the next step that I took this year to kind of learn a bit more about myself through journalling. So moving onto our biggest learnings of 2021. We are actually using few questions from a framework that Jay Shetty shared on his latest podcast.
Wendy
Yeah, it's called nine powerful questions to reflect on your year or something like that. And I recently listened to it. And I shared it with Tracy, because I thought that it was such a good framework, not only for ourselves to reflect on, but to share with everyone else as well. You know, it's never too late to reflect on your year and the past. So we're going to drop all the questions in the show notes and the episode itself. But yeah, we've taken inspiration from that today. And it's going to frame some of the questions that we ask each other.
Tracy
Yeah, it was, it's really good. Actually, like, I've never really done anything like this before, I've always just reflected just free flowing. But when Wendy shared this framework, I just took like an hour to two hours to just really sit down, reflect on 2021, and answer these questions. So, you guys can start kind of thinking about your answers whilst we talk. I think it's a really good framework to start reflecting on the year that was. So, the first question is, what made you feel most happy in 2021?
Wendy
So many things. But I think the one thing that came to mind first was just thinking about the people that I've been surrounded by this year and my support network. It's, like I said before, it's been a crazy year for me and having a solid support network that honestly hasn't changed for the past five years or so like all the friends that I have, now are the ones that I've kind of held close to my heart for the past five years. And I think it goes to show that I have a really solid support network who, regardless of what I was going through the ups and the downs, they were always there for me. And I never once felt judged for kind of the things I was going through but also while I was trying to figure things out, and I think that was kind of the happiest realisation for me is that I've got friends that I know that I can keep with me for life. Yeah, yeah. So it's not really like a significant moment in time, but it's just the life that I have, the people that I have it with.
Tracy
I think mine is similar like what I normally do when I reflect on the past year is I always write down a list of highlights, or like key moments from the year and like Wendy, I go through my albums, just to just remind myself and I go back to my past journal entries, and then I started seeing a theme of the things that made me most happy. Kind of like Wendy, they involve really spending quality time with the people I love, and the people that makes me excited to be around. And it's it's mindful quality time. It's like, it's always moments where you know, we're not on our phones, we're just present in the moment, we're just having fun. And those were the moments that made me most happy. And on top of that, spending quality time with myself as well. The time when I had alone, doing crafts, doing art, sewing, reading, those are the moments I also felt very content and happy. So, I think the overall theme is quality time with people and myself, I think is what made me most happy.
Wendy
It's really funny, because obviously, I have my journal here with me. And I actually wrote down, like I listed all the things that made me happy. And then on the side, I just summarised it by writing quality time on the side. It's crazy that you're talking about it because I think we're very similar in that sense that the time that we spend with our friends is what makes us feel most fulfilled. And really gives us the energy to keep like striving for better or, you know, keep growing. And I think we have so much lost time to make up for as well, right, after the year that we've had. So yeah, I think it makes sense that is what makes us truly happy.
Tracy
Yeah, and I think it was a good balance in 2021, as well, because we had time where we were alone, which was good. But then we also had like really great times with the people we loved. And it was a year where I really focused on my connection with others and myself.
Wendy
Yeah. What made you feel unhappy, on the other side of things?
Tracy
So, I think I talked about this in the imposter syndrome episode. But the most stressful thing that went through this year was just work stress towards the second half of the year. And it came in a time where I felt like, there was a lot of pressure on me to step up to the next level at work. But I just felt like I crippled, like I crumbled with all the expectations and pressure that I put on myself, and I felt like others were expecting from me. So, kind of for context, it had become a really stressful time at work in terms of there was a lot of deliverables, I was getting more high level strategic jobs, and I felt like my imposter syndrome just went on overdrive. And I just felt oh my god, I'm not good enough for this. I'm just anxious at work every day. And I think what made me most unhappy is just all the self doubt and negative self talk in my head. And that really affected my mental health, I would say, because I would go into work stressed, but then it will like relate to not sleeping at night, and then kind of not like losing my good habits as well. So, that probably made me most feel most unhappy. But also it's been such a big big learning curve for me about identifying how I can like really go into a cycle of negative self talk when I'm put under these, I guess, high pressure situations. And I'm trying to learn to deal with them better, because it's that pressure I put on myself like nobody's kind of expecting me to be perfect at my job, but it is something I put on myself.
Wendy
Yeah, I do remember you calling me kind of like at the very peak or climatic point where you were stressing. And I just remember thinking like, Oh, I've never seen Tracy this stressed before because usually you're so cool, calm collected. But you could tell that it was really like getting to you. And honestly, it was almost like I could feel for you that you felt like there was no way out. But coming out of it, looking back now, like you said, you know what you need to do better for next time. You know what not to do next time as well because you went through the hardship of it all.
Tracy
Yeah, I don't even know what happened. Like I normally can deal with stress pretty well. But I don't know what happened in this situation where like, it just felt like I was trapped. Yeah, like in this negative cycle going, oh my god, I'm not good enough. I'm not competent at work. Like everyone's going to be disappointed in me, like just really negative self talk. And we'll talk about that later. But it really like it was a big learning curve, because I actually sought like, kind of professional help for it as well, in terms of taking charge of my mental health, talking to a counsellor, and that's really helped. And it's one good thing that came out of this stressful time.
Wendy
Yeah, it really snowballs right? Yeah, you just feel like everything else just gets so out of control. Yeah, like I can relate in the sense that when you were talking about how, when you're stressed at work, it just flows on to every other aspect of your life. Because towards the end of this year, I was also quite stressed at work. We had like a massive deliverable due. And it was the first time in my new job that I was kind of being like tested. Hmm, but not tested by anybody probably just testing myself. Yeah, honestly, I just had these expectations to reach in my own head. And there was one significant day where I let the stress get to me as well. And I think that just snowballed into every other part of my life. I wasn't getting great sleep, I wasn't sticking to my usual routine. And I think that for me leads to like, anger, like frustration, and it just impacts every other part of my life in terms of the people that are that is around me. So my family, my friends, etc. So yeah, definitely very relatable.
Tracy
Yeah. How did you get out of that? Did you do anything in particular, to kind of get out of that head space?
Wendy
Well, I leaned on my colleagues. Probably in my previous job, I never would have been so candid about how stressed I was. But yeah, that day, I think my colleagues noticed that I was quite stressed. And I remember them saying significantly to me, you seem like you have a lot on your plate, do you want us to help you? And they did. And it was, I think it was the first time I've actually kind of actively asked for help. And I felt so much relief after that. And, you know, I was very vulnerable in saying like, I'm really sorry, like, I know that I was quite stressed today. I feel like I've switched places with someone else in the team, because one of my colleagues was really stressed earlier in the weekend. It's almost like we both like flipped and changed positions. And so yeah, it was really, really nice being able to ask for help, because I as a perfectionist, reflecting back on our impostor syndrome episode, asking for help doesn't come easily to me, because I want to be able to do everything, myself to prove to myself that I can do it.
Tracy
Yeah. And that's like, a big, big step for you to, you know, feel like you can be vulnerable and ask for help. Like, that's pretty brave, and takes a lot of courage for somebody who feels like they need to do everything perfect and not ask for help.
Wendy
Yeah, it was also the end of the year. And I felt like I was really burnt out. And I think everyone was and everybody was kind of just over this entire year. So yeah, I could see the light at the end of the tunnel, because I knew that the day of like the break was kind of coming.
Tracy
Yeah, I think it's the same for me. I was so burnt out. I was like this year doesn't stop giving.
Wendy
It really doesn't.
Tracy
So was that what made you feel unhappy?
Wendy
Yeah, probably. That's what made me feel unhappy, kind of letting the stress get to me, because I think I've done pretty well in the last six months not to let the stress get to me. But all it really took was a single day in a point in time to let it all like unravel. And what also made me unhappy was like my quality of sleep. I think this year was the first year that I've really, really struggled with the amount of sleep that I was getting, but also how deep the sleep was. Yeah, I've kind of like really noticed that I've been waking up and feeling kind of just like I haven't rested. And it's been an ongoing cycle for a really long time. And I think it's because I've just had so much on my mind throughout this year, a lot of change. And so you kind of like trying to process that. And I feel like you can't get rest when you're trying to process all these big changes in your life.
Tracy
Yeah. And sleep is so important. Like, I think similarly, when I got stressed, I didn't I felt like I wasn't sleeping enough. I wasn't resting. But I reached out to an EAP counsellor. So, for those who don't know, workplaces offer employee assistance programs. Yeah, a lot of corporate companies offer it where it's free counselling services for employees and their families. So, when I reached out to them during this really stressful period, I really realised how much sleep I needed. Because she was kind of going through like, really standard questions. Like, how's your sleep? How's your diet? How's your exercise? As a introductory. And she was like, Are you getting sleep? Are you getting me time? Are you resting? I was so stumped. I was like, Oh my God, I don't remember the last time I rested. And then you realise Oh, shit. And she was like, honestly, I think that if you properly rested and slept, like sleep every day, like properly, half your stress will be gone. Yeah, because your brain has no time, your body hasn't had time to process all of that stress and recover from it. And you're like really stretched thin, because you're not sleeping.
Wendy
Yeah, I read something in a book the other day where it's like when you're sleeping, that's when you're processing everything that happened that day. And if you're not getting good sleep, then you're not processing anything. And it's kind of like, put onto a backlog. And then it's just everything that happens in the next day just gets added to that. And it's almost like your processing time. Like you need more processing time in order to catch up.
Tracy
It's like that elastic band analogy. You know, you're like an elastic band and you get stretched when you're under pressure, or you get stressed. You're stretched, but if you get stretched too far out, you won't bounce back.
Wendy
So, that's probably what has made me really unhappy this year. I know that, you know, I think maybe it's a thing of getting old. But I'm starting to feel the impacts of not getting good sleep, but also seeing how it impacts say, my performance at the gym. Yeah, and that frustrates me because I'm like, the sleep is the one thing I should be able to control. But why does it feels so hard to do? And you can't blame anyone. You blame yourself? Because you're not prioritising it. Yeah, you're the one who's in control of it. So you know, like, get your shit together.
Tracy
Sleep is key everybody. Okay, so let's move on to the biggest lessons we've learned in 2021. We'll go professional and personal. So, Wendy, what was one of the biggest lessons lesson or lessons you've learned in the professional sense?
Wendy
Definitely, for the past six months has been really key because I changed jobs. And I think changing work environments has allowed me to see that I don't need to ask for permission to do things in the workplace. So, if there is something that I'm really passionate about that I want to kind of introduce into the company and share with my colleagues, I don't need to ask for permission from, you know, leadership to do it, I should just do it, and then share it with the team. And I think it's because I came from a very top down place at Deloitte, where it was very normal to ask for permission to do things and seek approval before actually doing it. But coming into my new company, whenever I've asked for permission to do something, it's kind of be like, Oh, why, why are you asking for permission, just do it and just share it with everyone. And it's kind of breeds a more organic growth culture. And I think I'm learning to switch gears and feel comfortable with kind of bringing what I'm passionate about to work, sharing it with people and not feeling like, I need to seek approval from other people before I do. So, that's been the biggest professional learning. How about you in a professional sense?
Tracy
I think I've got a couple of written down. So I think, professionally, in terms of, I guess, like my role, I kind of learned to, I think I've said, like, I'm such a doer, sometimes I forget to stop and just think about why am I doing this? What's the bigger picture? So kind of professionally, in my role, I've learned to think more strategically. But kind of mindset wise, I'm learning to learn without fearing. And that's something that I've really realised in like, the last four, three months, that I've just been motivated by fear, like fear of not doing good enough, fear of disappointing others, fear of not achieving goals, fear of presentations, like, rather than seeing it as opportunities for growth. And I think it is a flip in mindset that, you know, take the pressure off myself, and realise that everybody starts as juniors or like where I am, and people don't expect you to be 100% good at your job, people see potential in you but, you know, you still have years and years to develop that potential. You don't have to be an expert immediately. And I think that kind of took off a little bit of the pressure that I put on myself, and trying to learn without fearing is something that I've been trying to do, I guess.
Wendy
I really loved how you kind of framed it as an opportunity to change your mindset. Because at the end of the day, I think it comes down to perspective. Like we can choose to see things in a negative light and see that it's something that we're scared of. But when we flip our mindset and see it as an opportunity, I think that really changes the way that you just see everything that comes through your life, I guess.
Tracy
Yeah, yeah. And like another thing that I learned is that it's never too late to try something new. I think that previously, I've always been like, Oh, my career is going to be linear, like, it's going to be like, I'll keep climbing the ladders, or every new role has to be advancing. But I really took time to reflect on my career and what I wanted out of it. And news, I've got a new job for next year or this year. And for history, I've always been in advertising in the health industry. But my new job is within the consumer industry in the retail space, working with Westfield, in their creative agency. So, that's a new thing that's happening in 2022 for me. I was really kind of cautious or anxious about it, not anxious, but maybe I was like really stressed when the decision came, like they reached out to me and I was kind of like, oh my god, it's like a completely new industry, and I kind of have to start from scratch. And if I stayed in my current role, I could probably like jump like salary brackets and get promoted much faster than starting a new. But I've realised this year that we're so young still, we're only like, three, four years out of uni compared to the rest of our lives. But there's always more to learn like, it doesn't really harm in the long term to try things new. And if I don't like it, I can go back to where I was like, it's temporary. Like, I don't have to be so stressed that this is a life changing moment, because it's not. Yeah.
Wendy
I think it's a fact that on paper, it looks like a step backwards as opposed to a step forward. And I think that was what was really like mind boggling for you, and kind of the conflict, conflicting point. But yeah, in you saying that, it kind of reminded me of how when I took this job at CEC, it was for a consultant level as well. And all the friends that I had started with, all the colleagues I had started with, my grad cohort at Deloitte, a lot of them recently got promoted to become a senior consultant. And that, for me, was kind of like a moment in time where I just really thought, what if I stayed? Yeah, I could be at that point. But you can't compare like, it's like comparing apples to oranges, you know. What I'm experiencing now in my new workplace and the salary that I'm getting, or the experience that I'm getting, you can't compare it to a previous workplace where the the circumstance's completely different. Yeah, even though on paper, it looks the same. But you know, you can't compare like role levels, because they might differ across the board.
Tracy
Yeah. And you have to go where your heart tells you like, I think, logically, you could be like, on paper, it makes sense when we just stay. But if you're always thinking about what if, what if, then just do it? You know, life is out here like to experiment, experiment. If you don't like it, then try something else, you know, like, you don't have to be locked in to anything. And if you're out there and thinking, what if, I think that's a sign to go pursue it, because you never know if you don't try it.
Wendy
Yeah. And I think go with your gut feeling. That has always been an indicator for me as to driving my decision making. If my gut feeling is telling me like, do it, there's probably a reason for it, right? So listen to your instincts, and just go for the opportunity. And like Tracy said, if it doesn't work out, and it doesn't work out, so be it, there's always going to be another option out there. It's just a matter of when it's going to happen.
Tracy
I think we will make a decision. So being you always tunnel vision and you think this is the only option it's do or die. Like if I make this decision. My life is locked in into this pathway. But really, no, you can do whatever you want. You've got freewill, like, you can change jobs whenever you want, like nobody, you know, is putting the gun to your head that you have to stay in this job for two years. Nobody is saying that. Yeah, you can change. Yeah, go what your heart tells you. Yeah, yeah,
Wendy
I think that flows nicely into my personal learning for this year, which was really to just take every day as it comes. Rather than planning too far ahead. When I reflect back on past me, prior to 2021, I would have to say, I was that type of person that would plan like five years in advance. And you know, when something really significant happened in my life, and that plan went out the window, I think I started to try and find joy in the chaos. I definitely took this quote from somewhere. But yeah, finding joy in the chaos, even when it's uncomfortable. I think that's been kind of my mantra for this year, where I've been letting myself really go through the motions of the good, the bad, the ups and the downs, and really allowing myself to feel all the emotions when they come and not being too hard on myself. So if I felt like crying, then I was gonna cry, let myself cry it all out, and then move on from there. And I think, because I wasn't planning too far ahead in the future, when something unexpected happened. I was always really, like taken aback by it. And I was also really surprised in a really good way. And yeah, those are the moments that really brought me a lot of joy and lessons learned. Because I think when you plan too far ahead in the future, you set yourself up for disappointment when things don't turn out the way that you want because you have expectations. Which is also why with resolutions, I try not to be so specific with it. Because if it's a mindset, it's something that you can consistently work on. And then if you don't hit all the points every single day, that's okay. It's okay. You can get up and try again, the next day. And a lot of the things that happened this year, I kept saying like, it's a bad day, not a bad life. And that really kind of kept me going throughout the year because it was kind of like, today's a shit day, okay, let's wake up tomorrow and try again. So yeah, taking every day as it comes.
Tracy
I like that. Was there anything else personally that you learned?
Wendy
I think that was just the biggest one. Yeah. I think it's a very broad one. So it covers a lot.
Tracy
Yeah.
Wendy
What about yourself?
Tracy
I think for me, it's learning the difference between being content within myself and being content because of external factors. So as I said, I spent a lot of time by myself or thinking, reflecting on life. And I realised that like, if you're happy within yourself, if you're content with your mindset, like what you're doing with your life, your habits, everything else will flow. I realised that all the times where I've been in a really good place in my life, it's because I've been just content internally, rather than seeking external validation, you know, likes on social media, I don't know, attention from other people. Like when you're motivated by that, truly, you're not really content. Like, I think it's just a distraction. But I've realised the good times in my life is when I forgotten about all those external factors and be like, I'm happy in life, I'm content, I'm joyful. That's the most important thing. And I think the lesson here is like, if you take care of yourself, listen to your body, nourish your own needs, like everything else will come.
Wendy
Yeah, it's like looking within yourself, instead of looking towards others. For your source of happiness. And I think I definitely did that this year, just to build on, you know, the lessons learned, I think, when I started to do things for myself, and be selfish, in a sense that every decision that I made, I knew was the right intention with the right intentions for myself. I think I was just expecting, you know, the people around me to come with me on the journey. And they did. And I think that was kind of the most beautiful part of this year, was knowing that I made decisions for myself. And I was being so supported through out all of it. So yeah, that I think that was the biggest lesson learned as well.
Tracy
Yeah. And another thing I also learned is the importance of listening. Like, that's something that I've really tried to cultivate this year, like listening to others and myself. I read a really good book, actually, it's called, You're Not Listening. But as I said before, I speak before I think, because that's how I think, like, I think what I'm talking. But I've really wanted to become a better listener. Like truly listening to other people. And there's a concept that I learned, I need to check it, but it's like shift thinking versus I don't know what it is. But let me explain it. So it's basically like when you having conversation with somebody, and say, when they say, I've had a really stressful day, if you say, me too, I've had a stressful day, too. You're changing the flow of the conversation to be about you. And that's like, you're shifting the conversation to be about you. And that happens quite often. Right? Like, Oh, I'm so tired. Yeah, me too. I'm so tired. Whereas really listening is like, why are you tired? Why are you feeling this way? And really trying to open up the conversation for the other person to talk about themselves as well, rather than shifting the conversation to focus back on you.
Wendy
Yeah, yeah, I think I've tried to do this more often. Lately, because I think when we were younger when we gave advice to people, well, from my own experience, whenever I gave advice to other people, I was always like, Yeah, from my experience, I did X Y, Z, rather than asking a person kind of probing questions to understand what exactly is the root cause of how they're feeling? And I think this is actually something a skill or soft skill that I've built from work. Yeah, because I interview a lot of customers and stakeholders. And the whole point of the interview is you go in without any bias. So, you're just purely asking questions. And when you're responding to what they're saying, you have to try and not to put any of your own bias in. And so I think that's actually translated into my personal life where, when, you know, someone comes to me asking for advice, I just try and ask them questions and get them to unpack, rather than me speaking from my own experience, and then kind of like talking.
Tracy
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Because I think in the book, it kind of mentions as well, that, like, people don't really like taking advice from other people. They will only take it if they come to the conclusion. Yeah, you could tell them everything. But the fact that you're telling them, it will probably go in one ear out the other. But like how you said it, like you're helping them come to the conclusion. It makes it feel like they are making that decision themselves, because they want autonomy over their lives. It makes them feel empowered that they can do something. So yeah, I think listening has been a big one that I've been really trying to develop, and also listening to myself and we kind of talked about listening to my body, what makes me happy, do what makes me happy. So, what good habits will you take forward into the new year?
Wendy
Oh, I feel like I've built a lot of good habits. Gym-wise this year, so I moved into a new gym in May and unfortunately for a lot of this year, we were stuck in lockdown, so I couldn't go. But I feel like I've really found a new community where I look forward to going to the gym. So, it is like a CrossFit powerlifting gym. And I've always been quite intimidated going to commercial gyms. So, the fact that I'm showing up about three or four times a week for classes, I feel very empowered by the coaches there. But also doing things like skipping. Skipping has been such a massive part of my 2021. So, I started this with a friend, shout out to my skip sister Ruby, out of lockdown, or during lockdown. We just started it as a as a thing one lunchtime. I'm pretty sure I think I was on break. And Ruby and I live really close together. So we just went to the park, we started skipping, and then it stuck with me ever since. And it's crazy because I literally crave skipping. So yeah, I'm definitely going to take that forward into 2022. Because it's such a good form of cardio, but it really takes me to like a different place. I am stress free when I skip. And yet the added benefits of working out at the same time. So, there's that part of it. But there's also work life balance, again, starting a new job, I really set the intention to have a work life balance and be unapologetic about it. And I think because I'm in a company with the culture that we breed is very, it promotes work life balance, it's made it a lot easier.
Tracy
I think it's such a difference for you. I can see work wise, like you're so much happier at work. And I think like you mentioned it all comes down to the culture and the people you surround yourself around. And it's really nice to see that there's such a change in habits in your professional life.
Wendy
Yeah, I probably talk about work less as well. Because I think when I was at Deloitte, it was constantly like, work is so stressful, I'm on this project, like dealing with this client. And it's just like, I actually think work is not the main topic for me for discussion anymore. Yeah, that shows like a drastic change in mindset, which is good. I think those are the two things that I really want to take into 2022. There was also one month in August. I think I was inspired by one of your videos, Tracy, when you did the morning routine.
Tracy
My sisters and I have a YouTube channel. Shout out to The Trieu Sisters on YouTube.
Wendy
So many plugs.
Tracy
We clearly are two people with a lot of interests and passions.
Wendy
Yeah, but I was inspired by their they tried to 5am routine.
Tracy
Yeah, it was Jim Qwik's 5am routine, I think it's called the $5 million routine or something.
Wendy
But I tried it for the month of August. And I actually have a little video summarising that. When I got up around six every morning, I did journaling, meditating, breathing exercises, went for a walk. And I think that was like the most gratifying month of my entire to be honest. So I do want to take that into 2022 and build more consistency around routine.
Tracy
Yeah, actually, for those who feel like they need a kick in the ass with habits. Try the routine, like waking up at 5am sounds like intense. And this routine is very intense. I think there's like 10 steps or something like that. But even if you do it for two days, or even a day, you really get to experiment with all the different habits that you could potentially build and just pick and choose which one will work for you. And another plug is Atomic Habits by James Clear, that book is like one of the best nonfiction books I've read. And it really changed like, my life in terms of building good habits. Like, he talks about the importance of just showing up for yourself, like building habits doesn't have to be so big. It's all about the little things you do that, hence atomic habits. So for example, if you if your goal is I want to be fit. All it takes is even just every day, 15 minutes of walking, or even you rock up to the gym, walk on the treadmill for five minutes, go home, that's still us showing up for the gym. And then you do it every day. And eventually, five minutes will turn to half an hour to an hour and it'll just become a habit. Yeah, like the days where you feel like I don't want to exercise today. Just no, get up even if it's just for five minutes, do some star jumps, that's you showing up for yourself. And it's just a really good learning that I took from that book. And it really helped me build a proper like morning routine and night routine as well.
Wendy
I think that's so relevant for this episode. Because, you know, with new year's resolutions, a lot of people just want to make really drastic lifestyle changes. And I've been there done that. It doesn't work, friends. I think if you just build kind of really small, incremental goals, whether it's like weekly or daily. They're definitely a lot more achievable in the grand scheme of things when because it all adds up right? Even if it's like doing 1% better every day, eventually that 1% adds up to 100.
Tracy
Yeah, it compounds. Yeah, it really does compound like, like Wendy said like, doing five minutes of exercise is better than no minutes of exercise. Like some people feel like, either do a really good or I don't do it at all.
Wendy
In saying that, do you have any good habits from 2021 that you want to take into 2022?
Tracy
Yeah. So exercising we've talked about before. Yes, we have good exercise habits.
Wendy
Okay, we're not athletes. We're getting there.
Tracy
Yeah, relationship with exercise. Doing it because I love it not because I'm trying to achieve an external goal. But particularly running and walking, probably walking, walk running maybe. I don't really run that often. But just being outdoors, I think like has really helped clear my mind. Like, on times when it's really stressful. Even if I go for a half an hour walk. I think that's a good habit I want to continue because I think during lockdown, we all walked so much. Mindful eating. So, one of my smaller goals was, you know, when like, a lot of people just eat and they watch TV, they're eating on their phone. For me, I really wanted to take this year to just be mindful with eating. And when I eat, I'm just really focusing on eating. And that's really helped contribute to my overall wellbeing as well and not just not overeating and really appreciating my food. Yeah, so that's one habit. Not buying new clothes. This year. I genuinely did not buy anything except gym clothes, like once. No, nothing new at all. Because sew as well my own clothes. And I like thrifting. Like, I think it's just my part to try to at least reduce my footprint a little bit by not buying anything new, and buying things secondhand if possible.
Wendy
I can definitely see in Tracy that she has definitely upcycled a lot of incredible things. Check out @trace.makes.
Tracy
Another plug. Okay, so next is, what habits will you leave behind?
Wendy
Oh, saying yes to everything, particularly in a freelancing contexts. So because of a lockdown, I basically filled up a lot of my time, just freelancing. And at the time, it didn't feel like it but I think that really burnt me out. And it really made me hate freelancing. And I started freelancing because I wanted it to help me grow my portfolio, but also touch a part of design that I don't do in my day to day job. And I think in saying yes to everything, I really dreaded the work that I had to do. And that felt like it was unfair on my clients. I guess it didn't really impact the quality of work that I was doing. But the fact that I couldn't 100% show up and be completely passionate about what I was doing intrinsically made me feel like a shitty person.
Tracy
Was it because of the type of work you're saying yes to or was because you're just over committing your time?
Wendy
Probably over committing my time because I've felt like I had so much time. So in the last two months, I've started to say no to things. I started to say no to things and I feel like there's been a mental kind of load taken off my shoulders because I'm not dreading the work and I don't need to carve out time and feel like I don't look forward to that time to freelance. So yeah, one thing I'm leaving behind is saying yes to every freelance gig, but also like social events and stuff that don't fulfil me, saying no to that. And I think I'm getting pretty good at doing that. Because I'm just I think being in lockdown has made me a bit more of a homebody.
Tracy
Yeah, that's a good thing about lock down.
Wendy
To build on that. It's also too much screen time. I don't think I need to elaborate on this. But I spent so much time just on my phone. Just on like Netflix, Tiktok, Instagram. Yeah, I just I just need to stop.
Tracy
Yeah, mine's kind of similar in terms of not saying yes to everything. Socially.
Wendy
Tracy's a social butterfly. Way more than I am.
Tracy
I'm tired people, I'm really tired.
Wendy
She'd be out at like 3am like partying.
Tracy
Board game partying, more wholesome vibes. I always find it really hard to say no but I think it's I don't want to say no, like I genuinely enjoy spending time with my friends and everything like that. But I think it's more about balance or like putting boundaries, I think, for me. Like hanging out with friends has come as an expense of resting and sleeping. So, that's something I want to kind of leave behind. Like, I want to really prioritise, sleep and rest, and not hanging to like 4am.
Wendy
Do you feel like it's because you feel FOMO?
Tracy
Yeah, I think so. I think it is FOMO like, I think letting go of that. Yeah, but at the same time, like, the things that fulfil me is spending that quality time with my friends. So, I find it tricky to find the balance because I love like the quality the time, but at the same time, it's sometimes it comes to the expense of like me not getting time with myself. So, I think maybe scheduling like this day, I'm going to be at home. And like, that's like, you know, non negotiable.
Wendy
I think you really should because I have started to do that. And I think this actually probably stems from the fact that my parents were very strict with me, they need to come home during my teenage years. So now I'm actually quite good at like leaving things early if I feel tired. I like decide, I feel like I've had a long day, so I'm going to leave at this time. And yeah, I feel like I do do that. Yeah, I don't feel guilty about it. Because I get home and I'm in bed by like, 11 o'clock, and I'll be well rested for the day ahead.
Tracy
Yeah. Do you feel FOMO when you do that?
Wendy
It depends on the content. I feel like if it's like something with you that I feel it. Obviously, I'm in love with Tracy. Yeah, but I think that it really depends on the circumstance. If I know it's worth staying for, I will. Yeah, I'll push the boundaries. But a lot of the time I plan ahead. If I know the next day, I need the energy, I'll be like, Sorry, guys, I gotta go.
Tracy
Yeah, I can definitely see that in you. And it's a good habit. I think I will try to learn from you. I'm just like, my body can handle it. Like, I don't need to leave. I can sleep next time. But I'm getting old like, my body can't handle late nights as well as it could a couple of years ago.
Wendy
Yeah, I got one year on you, sis. So I'm already feeling the impacts of 26. Learn from my 26 years of living.
Tracy
Another habit to leave behind is negative self talk. So, that's another thing to leave behind. Work in progress, obviously. Anyway, what do you wish you could have done more in 2021?
Wendy
Get better sleep is honestly top priority for me.
Tracy
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Wendy
I'm so sorry. I sound like a broken record. But it's important. I really don't think people understand how bad my sleep is like, even last night, I had really broken sleep. And I think I'm gonna start using the sleep quality app again. It's an app on your phone. I've used it for a long time, I literally think it's called sleep, or something like that. And basically, you turn it on every night and you leave it facedown beside you on your bed. And it records your movements overnight. It basically should show you when your REM cycles are. So, when you're like in your deepest sleep, and then when you wake up. And then in the morning, it gives you kind of the hours that you spent sleeping, but also a breakdown of like over each hour, what was your sleep like? And then your sleep quality? And then if you track that over a long period of time, you'll be able to see kind of like the patterns and how you've been sleeping.
Tracy
Is there specific things that you do that you know helps you sleep better?
Wendy
Yeah, like obviously no phone before bed, being in bed, sleeping at 10 o'clock, and reading as well for the wind down. Yeah, that is so important. Like if I winding down but I'm doing stuff like watching TV, on my phone, I will have shit sleep guarantee. But if I'm like winding down journaling, then reading and then going to sleep straight away, I tend to have better sleep. I also sometimes take melatonin to help kind of promote better sleep, deeper sleep, and actually feel like I don't know if it's placebo, but I tend to take it when I know I've got an early gym session the next morning. Yeah, because I tend to wake up feeling more refreshed in that sense. So, that's something else as well. I have a couple of friends who also try like they tape their mouths. So, they tape their mouth so that it promotes like breathing through your nose rather than your mouth. Yes, there's science behind it. I might try it next year because I'm a mouth breather. And so it apparently promotes like deeper breathing. Don't quote me on this again.
Tracy
So, my eyes are popping out of my head right now.
Wendy
Yeah, but it's it's a struggle at the beginning, apparently. But it gets better over time. So, if you breathe through your nose, it's meant to promote, like better circulation and other things for your brain. Okay, yeah, so that's gonna be something that I'm going to experiment. So, on top of getting better sleep, reading, actually. I feel like I fell off the bandwagon this year. I feel like because I went through so much change in like, my personal life with relationships and family stuff as well. As a result, I was kind of just like, watching a lot of stuff, like watching content, as opposed to reading to try and kind of like take my mind off things and, and cope in a way. So, I think reading I'm going to try and do that a little bit more, because I was so good with it in 2020. But this year, barely scraped through the barrel with 21 books. And then on top of that, just being more disciplined overall, with my routine. How about you, Tracy?
Tracy
I think sleeping. Enough said about sleeping, I'm gonna move on. Mindfulness practices, so meditation and yoga. Like I really started doing that during lockdown. But as soon as we came out of lockdown, it went out of the door. Like I was doing yoga twice a week in the morning. It was my first time doing yoga too. I've never been a yoga person. Because I was like, what does this do to my body? Like, I don't know. I was like, if I'm going to exercise I'd rather do a workout intense workout, rather than like, yoga. But I incorporated yoga as part of like, in addition to my workouts during lockdown, I really saw a difference. Like I felt like it started my day really, really well. Like normally I just wake up like literally brush my teeth and like log on. It starts the day really right. And I didn't realise that I was getting more flexible. And I was meditating a lot as well. But then I stopped doing it as soon as we got out of lockdown. So, I want to do more of that. Because I did see a difference in terms of mental clarity there. What could I have done more? Sticking to good habits when things got stressful? That's kind of aligned with everything that we're talking about. But I had really good habits up until things got stressful in October. And then things kind of like went out the door. And then also really focusing on mental health, which I've started doing towards this end of the year. And that's something I'm gonna continue on to next year.
Wendy
Yeah, I'm seeing that in you as well. And in the things that you're doing and as the decisions that you're making, as well, seeing a lot of that kind of focus on mental health come through. Yeah, I should take inspiration from that. So, looking into the future, what are your goals for 2022?
Tracy
So overall, I think is working continue to work on a healthier mindset. Like, I want to be more confident, I want to be more like less anxious, less stressed, I really want to work on that positive self talk or reframing my negative self talk. So, really working on healthier mindset and inner contentment, continuing that into the new year. How about you?
Wendy
So again, echoing a lot of things that I've already said, but discipline in my routine, and which will include less screen time, better sleep, a better morning routine, and also saying no, just two things in general that don't fulfil me, that I don't feel like are intentional, saying no to those things. And the other additional thing, which I haven't touched on is growing more comfortable with being alone. So, not just I guess the time that you spend at home, but taking myself on dates, you know, taking myself on different little adventures. I've started to do that towards the end of this year where I was starting to go out to cafes to do work. And I felt so kind of gratified after I did that. And even having the past couple days off. Spending time by myself, just doing random things that I enjoy has really kind of reset my mindset in terms of like, I don't need to spend time around people constantly to feel happy. Yeah, I can find that within myself. So yeah, those are my goals for 2022. So, that was a loaded episode. But we're finally at the end of it. I guess like, we'll talk about our goals and how we're going throughout the rest of 2022. This is only just the beginning.
Tracy
Yes. And I would encourage everybody listening to actually answer these questions for yourselves as well. Like, I think it's helped me so much just like reflecting on the year that was and what I want to do better in the new year.
Wendy
I think for me, actually, when I was reflecting, I was really ready for the new year to come. I was just like, let's get into it, start a new year, because this year has been insane for me. But yeah, I think forcing myself to actually reflect on the good and the bad parts has been not confronting, but it's been like, being able to acknowledge that I went through some hard stuff but it also went through some really, really good stuff as well. And I got myself through it. And being really proud of myself for it as well. Yeah, like giving yourself a pat on the back. So, I encourage everyone to do that. Be vulnerable with yourself. Yeah, write down.
Tracy
Agreed. And like throughout the year, look back, you don't have to wait until the new year to reflect on your goals. Keep checking in on them.
Wendy
Every day is a new day, and every day is an opportunity to do things right by yourself.
Tracy
And you don't have so many goals either. Just have one overarching one that you can continue to work towards, rather than a list of things that would stress you out.
Wendy
Yeah, it's not a shopping list. It should just be one thing. Like try and limit yourself. All right, into the final segment of the episode, dinner table questions. So first question, what is the best thing you either read or watched or listened to in 2021?
Tracy
Alright, so I'm gonna give you guys three things. My top book is Malibu Rising by Taylor Jenkins Reid. I don't know if you've heard of it. But it is a fiction book. And it's a story about a family that came from nothing, and then went into fame. And it's like, like, revolves around these siblings. And they're just really like, famous, but you kind of get an insight into their lives, and they have this huge party every year, and shit goes down during this party. I don't know, it's a really perfect summer read. But the themes are really about family. And I really related to it, because at the end of the day, the lesson I learned was the importance of family. And it was just very, like heartwarming, and like really wholesome and like it made me reflect a lot on my own life. Yeah, so I would recommend that. For nonfiction, Atomic Habits, I've already talked about, I recommend that. Top TV show, K-drama Racket Boys.
Wendy
I can't believe you're providing a K-drama recommendation versus me.
Tracy
I know. This is why it's crazy. I would recommend that because I don't really watch a lot of K-dramas and it takes a lot of me to commit to a K-drama but Racket Boys is honestly one of the best shows I've watched this year. Like, it's just so wholesome. It's about like these school kids learning to play badminton in the countryside. Yeah, like it's just so wholesome. I would recommend that and I don't normally watch K-dramas or recommend K-dramas. And I recommended it to all my family and everybody loved it. Like it's not just about badminton. It's just funny and wholesome. And last one, YouTubers that I've been liking is, Leah's Fieldnotes, very wholesome lifestyle content. And Jack Edwards. He's a book YouTuber, and he's really funny, and witty.
Wendy
These are all things that I've never heard of. So, lots of content for me to consume. For me, my top book was actually Everything I Know About Love by Dolly Alderton. This was a really big year for me in terms of relationships, and I think reading through Dolly's kind of experience, so she just basically chats through her like early 20s, to her early 30s, and all her kind of experiences with relationships and finding love, and I think it could relate on so many levels. And I think when you go through your 20s and 30s, everybody's going through something really different in terms of relationships, and there's almost like this pressure to find like your person if you haven't already. And she just speaks kind of through her experiences in a really like candid but vulnerable way. So it's almost like you're talking to a friend who's been through a lot of shit and you're like, damn, I can really learn some stuff from from this woman. Yeah, and I just loved reading because it was kind of like, at moments you feel like laughing with her but you also feel like crying with her. So yeah, a special place in my heart that I think and the other two books that I would recommend is 101 Essays to Change the Way You Think and Green Lights by Matthew McConaughey. I like to read nonfiction versus fiction, but I might try and change that.
Tracy
Yeah, I'm a fiction girl.
Wendy
Instead of, I guess, TV shows and YouTubers because nothing really stood out to me this year, I've picked out my top podcasts, which is On Purpose by Jay Shetty. I talk about Jay Shetty a lot and I'm probably kind of one of his biggest fans, I would like to say. Yeah, his podcast I think is the number one mental health podcast in the world. And yeah, I just think that all his episodes, he brings on guests but also sometimes he does episodes where it's just him talking. And he used to be a monk, he went through years of practising to be a monk and kind of still has a monk mindset. Now I'm actually reading his book, Think Like a Monk. And yet every time I listen to his podcast, I just feel so kind of like, there's just so much food for thought. And I feel so kind of inspired to think deeper about myself about others and my experiences as well. So yeah, highly recommend that if you need. It's not like a typical motivational podcast. It's more so like, getting you to think deeper, and dig deeper. What was on your Spotify Wrapped for 2021? In terms of like your top artists and your top songs?
Tracy
I think mine's quite skewed. Because I honestly didn't listen to a lot of music this year, which is weird. I mean, I would listen to music but nothing new because I didn't make time to discover new music so I was just kind of putting things on replay. I don't know why, I just didn't listen to that much music. There's no explanation. Like sometimes I just like do things and I get so immersed into it. I forget that I'm just sitting in silence. So, my top artist is The Rubens because I saw them live in concert in April this year, which I was so lucky to be able to in the mosh pit. What a time. And that was such a great time, like being the mosh pit for the first time since COVID. And I just like, like singing dancing, with a friend out from work. Yeah, so The Rubens. I've just been listening to their album non stop, because I saw them live. And I was just really into it. So the top song was Live in Life by The Rubens.
Wendy
I have to listen to that, because I've never heard of it. Yeah, I'm the complete opposite. I feel like I really relied on music this year, to get me through some shit, you know, but I think music has become such a big part of my life. So I have a ritual every Monday, I'll listen to my Discover Weekly on Spotify. I love Spotify, by the way, like I would love to work for them once. We are using Anchor FM, so yes. But yeah, my top artists was LANY. Everybody knows I'm obsessed with LANY. Love Paul Klein. Shout out to Paul Klein. And my top song, this is so debatable because I really don't think I've listened to it that much, but basic bitch Driver's Licence by Olivia Rodriguez.
Tracy
It just hits in the feels, you know?
Wendy
Yeah, it really does. And obviously, you know, it hits the feels when you're going through, like some relationship stuff. But yeah, I listen to Spotify, like I literally always have music playing. And I also make a new playlist every month. And that's how I discover new music. So if I find a song that I like, I would just add it to my playlist. And I've been doing this since 2015. So, I've had a list for every single month since 2015 to now. So, just wanted to share that. Yeah, brag about my Spotify habits.
Tracy
The last question is, what is something that made you laugh recently?
Wendy
So, for one of our recent posts, we had to go through some of our old baby photos. And that's actually something that made me laugh a lot, because I was going through photos and I was just like, geez, what was I doing in this? Or was my family doing in this photo? And I think this is why I take so many pictures because a picture can really say 1000 words. And I just love kind of the depth of the stories a single moment that you capture can tell. And it's almost like you can only really connect with it if you're there in that point of time. So yeah, that's something that made me laugh a lot recently. How about you?
Tracy
So, it's something that we did for Christmas. I spent Christmas with my cousins, my extended family. We played this game where everybody takes a shot, but only one is full of vodka, the rest is filled with water. Yeah, and you cannot react if you have the vodka shot, you can't react and the game is guess who took the vodka shot.
Wendy
Oh god, I would not be good at that game.
Tracy
So, we had a couple of rounds and then in the last round, we all took the shot. And everyone's so straight like you could not tell at all who took the vodka shot. And it came to voting, so we voted. We voted for a particular cousin, and then she was like, yeah, it was me. And then I was like, hang on, I got the vodka shot. And everyone's like, no, I got the vodka shot. Turns out, the cousin who was pouring the vodka shot gave everybody a vodka shot. It was just so funny. I was like, Wait, we all got the vodka shot, but we were all so good at pretending that we didn't. And that just made me laugh because we all got tricked.
Wendy
Well, that brings us to a wrap for this episode, our very first episode for the year. Thank you for joining us in the new year. 2022. This is the year guys. This is your year. I really hope that this episode, in us sharing our learnings and our reflections, you've taken something away from it, even if it's a really, really small thing.
Tracy
Yeah. Thank you for tuning in everybody and have a wonderful rest of the year.
Wendy
Yeah. So, as always, plugging our Instagram, follow us and join the conversation @aseatatourtable.podcast. We'll also leave a question in the Spotify description, but we'll put it on our stories as well. What we want to know is, what was your biggest learning for 2021? That wraps up our episode. Catch you on the next. Thank you. Bye!